WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.500 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.500 --> 00:00:02.310 align:middle line:84% So far, we have been looking at some 00:00:02.310 --> 00:00:05.380 align:middle line:84% of the cognitive foundations and the more theoretical parts 00:00:05.380 --> 00:00:09.500 align:middle line:84% of how we perceive sounds and actions and music and motion. 00:00:09.500 --> 00:00:13.000 align:middle line:84% But as music researchers, we actually study these things 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.180 align:middle line:90% also in a laboratory context. 00:00:15.180 --> 00:00:18.650 align:middle line:84% So Christian, I know that you have been working in the lab 00:00:18.650 --> 00:00:21.640 align:middle line:84% and running experiments on sounds and actions. 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:23.930 align:middle line:84% Could you tell a little bit about this? 00:00:23.930 --> 00:00:25.000 align:middle line:90% Sure. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:29.020 align:middle line:84% I've been studying how people move to short sounds, 00:00:29.020 --> 00:00:31.970 align:middle line:84% presenting them with simple sounds-- 00:00:31.970 --> 00:00:34.290 align:middle line:84% with, for instance, changing pitch and spectral 00:00:34.290 --> 00:00:38.190 align:middle line:84% centroid and dynamic envelope, and then asking 00:00:38.190 --> 00:00:40.270 align:middle line:90% them to move to the sound. 00:00:40.270 --> 00:00:43.830 align:middle line:84% So people have moved in various ways, 00:00:43.830 --> 00:00:47.860 align:middle line:84% and we've found quite a few things that are consistent, 00:00:47.860 --> 00:00:50.140 align:middle line:90% even between people. 00:00:50.140 --> 00:00:51.950 align:middle line:90% And what type of things? 00:00:51.950 --> 00:00:56.600 align:middle line:84% The most obvious, I would say, is pitch and verticality. 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:03.840 align:middle line:84% Almost everybody would trace an ascending pitch with going up, 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:08.030 align:middle line:84% and the same vice versa, going down. 00:01:08.030 --> 00:01:10.090 align:middle line:84% Spectral centroid also-- if you have 00:01:10.090 --> 00:01:12.400 align:middle line:84% a sound that goes like whoossst, people 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.230 align:middle line:90% would trace that also upwards. 00:01:14.230 --> 00:01:16.760 align:middle line:84% So it's in the frequency domain and the verticality 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:20.090 align:middle line:90% is a strong connection. 00:01:20.090 --> 00:01:25.860 align:middle line:84% And things like the dynamic envelope, which would typically 00:01:25.860 --> 00:01:28.940 align:middle line:84% identify sounds that are impulsive-- 00:01:28.940 --> 00:01:34.760 align:middle line:84% say something like [CLAP], which has a strong ascending curve 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.170 align:middle line:84% first and then falling slowly, as opposed 00:01:38.170 --> 00:01:42.490 align:middle line:84% to something that's a continuous sound with continuous energy 00:01:42.490 --> 00:01:44.750 align:middle line:84% put into the sound, where people would 00:01:44.750 --> 00:01:50.230 align:middle line:84% trace the sound with a different type of movement. 00:01:50.230 --> 00:01:52.300 align:middle line:84% For instance, these impulsive sounds 00:01:52.300 --> 00:01:55.860 align:middle line:84% are typically traced with an impulsive action, 00:01:55.860 --> 00:01:59.460 align:middle line:84% and the continuous sounds with some continuous action 00:01:59.460 --> 00:02:03.307 align:middle line:84% like pushing the sound through space, for instance. 00:02:03.307 --> 00:02:04.890 align:middle line:84% And one of the very interesting things 00:02:04.890 --> 00:02:09.229 align:middle line:84% here is if you have two opposing ideas in the same sound-- 00:02:09.229 --> 00:02:10.930 align:middle line:84% for instance, ascending pitch and then 00:02:10.930 --> 00:02:14.840 align:middle line:84% descending spectral envelope, people will get confused, 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.740 align:middle line:84% trying-- often starting following one of these curves, 00:02:18.740 --> 00:02:22.320 align:middle line:84% and then in the middle not being able to decide 00:02:22.320 --> 00:02:26.030 align:middle line:84% whether to continue upwards or to start going downwards, 00:02:26.030 --> 00:02:26.810 align:middle line:90% for instance. 00:02:26.810 --> 00:02:29.080 align:middle line:84% And is this the same for all your subjects? 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:32.230 align:middle line:84% I mean also independent of the musical background or training 00:02:32.230 --> 00:02:32.770 align:middle line:90% they have? 00:02:32.770 --> 00:02:37.100 align:middle line:84% Mostly, this is quite consistent among both musical experts 00:02:37.100 --> 00:02:38.960 align:middle line:90% and novices, yes. 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.900 align:middle line:90% Interesting. 00:02:40.900 --> 00:02:45.610 align:middle line:84% This is for simple sounds that are maybe not really music 00:02:45.610 --> 00:02:46.680 align:middle line:90% itself. 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:51.250 align:middle line:84% Do you have any ideas on the musical aspect here? 00:02:51.250 --> 00:02:56.490 align:middle line:84% If you present music to people, how does this make people move? 00:02:56.490 --> 00:02:58.210 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I've been doing some research where 00:02:58.210 --> 00:03:01.660 align:middle line:84% we've been looking at the same type of connection 00:03:01.660 --> 00:03:04.760 align:middle line:84% from music to more large-scale motion. 00:03:04.760 --> 00:03:08.500 align:middle line:84% And playing, for example, musical excerpts to people 00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:11.780 align:middle line:84% and asking them to move freely or to play an air instrument, 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:14.240 align:middle line:84% like air guitar or air drums or a piano 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.610 align:middle line:84% or even conduct, just to kind of follow contours in the music. 00:03:17.610 --> 00:03:21.940 align:middle line:84% And it's very interesting to see how, through the body motion, 00:03:21.940 --> 00:03:25.330 align:middle line:84% we can understand more about the cognitive processes of people. 00:03:25.330 --> 00:03:29.160 align:middle line:84% For example, when people are asked to play air piano, 00:03:29.160 --> 00:03:32.000 align:middle line:84% we would assume that they know kind of the size of a piano 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:35.650 align:middle line:84% and also how it's laid out and both the attacks 00:03:35.650 --> 00:03:38.930 align:middle line:84% and onsets of tones, but also, for example, the frequency 00:03:38.930 --> 00:03:39.990 align:middle line:90% range of this. 00:03:39.990 --> 00:03:42.220 align:middle line:84% And the interesting thing is that even people 00:03:42.220 --> 00:03:45.540 align:middle line:84% without any musical training at all 00:03:45.540 --> 00:03:48.630 align:middle line:84% managed to do this very well really. 00:03:48.630 --> 00:03:53.730 align:middle line:84% So in a way, people are more musical than they believe, 00:03:53.730 --> 00:03:55.510 align:middle line:90% I think. 00:03:55.510 --> 00:03:59.120 align:middle line:84% But based on this, then, there are some obvious connections 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:01.210 align:middle line:84% then, both between sounds and actions 00:04:01.210 --> 00:04:03.200 align:middle line:90% and also music and motion. 00:04:03.200 --> 00:04:06.220 align:middle line:84% And this may actually be a very interesting thing 00:04:06.220 --> 00:04:11.810 align:middle line:84% to try out at home, to take a few musical excerpts 00:04:11.810 --> 00:04:17.310 align:middle line:84% and try to imagine how you would move to these excerpts. 00:04:17.310 --> 00:04:19.820 align:middle line:84% And then try to actually move to them. 00:04:19.820 --> 00:04:22.410 align:middle line:84% And also ask a friend to move and look 00:04:22.410 --> 00:04:25.490 align:middle line:84% at how is the movement in relation 00:04:25.490 --> 00:04:29.270 align:middle line:84% to various types of sonic and musical features. 00:04:29.270 --> 00:04:31.380 align:middle line:90% Try yourself and see. 00:04:31.380 --> 00:04:32.256 align:middle line:90%